09
Jan
09

409 – The Shape of Things to Come

409-alex-keamy-01409-ben-03Review:

This episode is insano.  This only the second Ben episode and already his episodes are the best.  No one else has such informative flashbacks/forwards, and no one is in the middle of things like Ben.  It’s hard to believe that he is just a supporting character.

On to the episode.  This episode has completely different interpretations now that season 4 is done.  Ben’s flashback is suddenly logical and understandable.  Now that we know exactly what preceded this flashforward we can understand his actions.

As for the actions on the island…well there is too much to say.  Ben controlling Smokey, Alex dying, Claire “dying”, Sayid coming under Ben’s control, Daniel lying, Jack nearly “dying”, Ben conversing with Mr. Whidmore; it was so much insanity that it’s hard to keep track of it all.  I don’t want to go too deeply into it here (keep reading if you want to see me go too deeply into it) but I just want to say that this episode will likely be the basis for many more storylines in the future.

10.0/10.0

409-group-doctor-daniel-01Character Impressions:

Daniel

-I feel so bad for Daniel when he gets caught in that lie.

-Daniel officially says that the Freighter Folk were never going to take people off the island.  That took so long.

Hurley

409-sawyer-locke-aaron-hurley-risk-01-Did the Risk game have any great meaning?  Is Australia the key to the whole game?

-Poor Hurley get’s stuck in the middle of Sawyer and Locke.

Ben

-I laughed so hard when Ben pulled that shotgun out of the piano bench.

409-ben-shotgun-01-I remember being very intrigued when Ben showed up in the desert.  He had that Orchid station parka with Hallowax on it, he had an arm injury and you could see his breath.  I was dying to find out how he got there.  Weren’t the writers awesome, they showed us what happened five episodes later.

-Ben reveals that he went to Tunisia a long time ago.  Could he have moved the island in the past?  It would explain how he knew how it worked.  I doubt it though.

409-ben-05-Ben also guessed what year it was.   He knew he was going to travel forward in time, and it appears as though he knew how far in the future he would go.

-Ben tells Sayid that he took Desmond’s boat and left the island.  Sayid knew that the island moved, at this point he doesn’t even seem to care where it moved.  Perhaps he was just blinded by grief because Nadia died.

-We get to see the hieroglyphic door in this episode.  Exciting and confusing.  (See below)

409-ben-04

-Ben says, “he changed the rules”.  I’m quite sure he was referring to Whidmore and the rules were a kind of cease-fire between the two.  Perhaps they weren’t allowed to kill each other or people that they loved.

-Charles uses Ben’s argument against him.  Remember when Ben says to Michael that he, Ben wasn’t responsible for Libby and Ana Lucia’s death?  Charles says almost the same thing about Alex’s death.

409-smokey-01Smokey

-Ben only called Smokey (or at least prompted his arrival) after Whidmore “changed the rules”.

-Smokey has all the same sounds that it had back in the pilot.

-It’s shocking that Smokey doesn’t decimate Keamy’s whole team.

-Ben’s hands are black and sooty when he comes back out of Smokey’s door.

409-redshirts-01Sawyer

-One of the best moments of this episode, when all the redshirts died.  Sawyer went to save Claire, only Claire. , he then saw three people (three!) get shot in quick succession.  Apparently those was all the redshirts that went with Locke in the premiere.  Good for the writers for using those characters to their full potential (I’m kidding of course).

409-ben-locke-01-Sawyer’s protectiveness for everyone is commendable.  He takes care of Claire and the baby, he let’s Miles travel with them and he also tries his best to help Hurley going so far as to pull a gun on Locke.

Locke

-Ben says that it’s important that Locke survives the attack.  He thinks that he needs Locke and Hurley to get to Jacob.  Supposedly Jacob is the only person who can help Ben.

409-miles-01Miles

-Keamy and his gang send Miles back to Ben and Locke to deliver the walkie-talkie.  I’ll bet they thought he was a traitor and were happy to be rid of him.  He doesn’t seem to keen on returning to them.

-Why doesn’t Miles want to go back with Keamy? Was it just because of Smokey?  Was it because his old friends were crazy, gun-toting lunatics?  Did he want to follow Claire?

409-sayid-01Sayid

-Ben barely recovered from moving an entire island and he immediately moved on to manipulating Sayid.  That’s some serious determination.

-MissScarlett believe that Ben killed Nadia, I completely agree.  She’ll elaborate in the comments (right?).

Jack

-They were kind of tricksy with Jack’s drug problem.  In this episode he starts self-prescribing.  Hopefully that wasn’t the start of of his addiction, but it really made me worried.

409-sawyer-claire-explosion-01Claire

-The consensus is that Claire died right?  I completely believe it.  For the next few episodes I’ll be looking for clues to prove that she’s dead.

-Here’s the first one, when Claire comes out of her room she says, “I’ll live”, Miles says, “I wouldn’t be too sure about that”.  That’s exactly the kind of double-meaning quasi-joke that they always have in Lost.

409-alex-01Alex

-It was nice of the writers to show us who had killed Karl and Rousseau and had Alex early on in this episode.  I was always a little worried that it was The Others turning on Ben and Alex (I never like the obvious answers).

-Alex is way too nice.  She had a gun pointed at her head and was being forced to enter the code at the sonic fence, at that moment she decided to tell her captors that “they have a baby”.  Not “don’t shoot me”, or “please don’t kill Ben”, or anything else self-serving.  Alex was the most decent character in this show.  (Hurley comes in a close second.)

409-alex-02-It is the most distressing moment in the show when Keamy shoots Alex.  It was way worse than when Libby died.  Libby died slowly in shock and in helplessness… there was time to come to terms with her death.  But poor Alex died thinking that two people who loved her were dead, and the last person who loved her, the last person who she relied on, didn’t even care about her.  Ben broke her heart right before she died.

409-mr-whidmore-01Mr. Whidmore

-When exactly does Ben go to see Whidmore?  That could have been at any time.

-Whidmore confessed to Ben that he started sleeping with a bottle of Scotch beside his bed “when the nightmares started”.  Why would he have nightmares?  From moving the island?  From being an antagonist?  (I’m reading too far into this.)

-Whidmore is very convincing in his scene.  We all felt sorry for Ben in this episode because Alex was just killed, but once you remove those emotions from this scene, it really appears as though Whidmore is in the right.

409-smokey-02-“That island’s mine Benjamin, it always was, it will be again.”  Always is a big word.

Keamy

-Keamy and his men likely went back in time, slightly, when the helicoptered onto the island.  Not significantly, but likely a few days or something.  That would explain how they were so organized when they attacked the barracks.

Flashbacks (what we knew then):

409-ben-01

-I find it strange how few theories I came up with about Ben showing up in the desert.  That scene was very mysterious and I didn’t even guess at it’s meaning.  Did anyone have theories about that?

Flashforwards (what we know now):

-So Ben moved the island right before this flashforward started.  In the beginning of this episode we find out that Ben moved forward in time 1o months after he turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel.  I dislike time travel.  Going to the future is fine with me (it almost makes sense), but going back in time hurts my life (it’s an expression…really it is).  The question on everyone’s mind after the finale is “where or when did the island move?”  I’d love for the question to just be where, but it seems unlikely.  The easiest answer would be 10 months into the future.  The island just jumped a period of time.

-In this episode Alex’s life was used to manipulate Ben.  I wonder if something like that could have happened in the past with Annie.  Perhaps Ben has been in this situation before.

409-ben-02-When Ben is visiting Mr. Whidmore asks if Ben came to kill him.  Ben says, “we both know I can’t do that”.  That has to mean that Whidmore can’t be killed, right?  And why would Ben go there if he could be killed?  I am 100% sure that both of these characters are invulnerable in the same way that Michael was.

-So at the end of the episode Ben and Charles start a race.  Ben is racing to kill Penny, and Charles is racing to find the island.  I don’t understand why these two events are connected.  Does Whidmore plan to send Penny to the island to keep her safe from Ben?  That might work.

-To contact Smokey, or to trigger it, Ben goes through an aged door.  This door has hieroglyphics on it.  I don’t know what to think about this.  I presume that it is related to the Four Toed Foot.  All that it tells me is that at one time there were natives on the island who knew more about it than anyone else.  They join the longs list of people who know more about the island than our heroes.

– Izi

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13 Responses to “409 – The Shape of Things to Come”


  1. 1 Anon
    January 9, 2009 at 5:40 am

    Man, I really can’t wait til you see season 5.

    Random symbolism – when Ben’s trying to protect the island there’s usually a painting of the island behind him. After Alex dies, there’s always an Alex photo behind him. Also when everyone’s running outside because Smokey is coming, Ben takes one last look at his house before leaving.

    “Ben tells Sayid that he took Desmond’s boat and left the island. Sayid knew that the island moved, at this point he doesn’t even seem to care where it moved. Perhaps he was just blinded by grief because Nadia died.”

    This occurred to me a few months ago, Sayid didn’t even ask if anyone else was alive (not that Ben would’ve known considering he left the island the same time as the O6 did but still!). I find it hard to believe you live with such a massive lie then don’t even ask about the people you’re protecting! But then again he willingly agreed to work for Ben so I think it’s safe to say Sayid was NOT thinking clearly that day 😀

    “MissScarlett believe that Ben killed Nadia, I completely agree. She’ll elaborate in the comments (right?).”

    I don’t agree at all. How in the world could he organize that? He’d have to rely on Sayid even meeting up with her again, knowing exactly where they’ll be in October 2005, and he had people who went to the outside world for him – Tom, Richard, Mikhail and Ethan – most of em are dead and one now hates Ben.

    Plus, Ben’s never killed fully innocent people as far as I remember. He wasn’t responsible for Michael’s killing decision (Ms Klugh also backed this up I think), Bonnie and Greta were going to kill Charlie, it was never his plan to shoot Jin, Bernard and Sayid in S3 finale…

    I just don’t think he’d use a death like that for his own advantage. ESPECIALLY after losing Alex the same kind of way. I also don’t think he’ll be able to kill Penny either. He’ll try but he won’t follow through, I bet.

    “It is the most distressing moment in the show when Keamy shoots Alex. ”

    I thought there’d never be a more disturbing scene than Ana and Libby’s deaths. I was wrong.

    “When exactly does Ben go to see Whidmore? That could have been at any time.”

    Ben says “Iraq is lovely this time of year” so it’s probably shortly after recruiting Sayid. Widmore says “I wondered when you were gonna show up” meaning he’s probably seen that the O6 were rescued, maybe heard from Penny about Des being rescued too, already knew about Alex’s death (I always wondered how he knew!), probably knew about his freighter folk all dead and the boat blown up (so therefore his mission failed) and drawn conclusions from that.

    “I find it strange how few theories I came up with about Ben showing up in the desert. That scene was very mysterious and I didn’t even guess at it’s meaning. Did anyone have theories about that?”

    I figured he’d travelled to the arctic or something, had a fight and like fell and landed on a button or something that sent him there. LOL, as you can see I don’t think up theories much.

    “In this episode Alex’s life was used to manipulate Ben. I wonder if something like that could have happened in the past with Annie. Perhaps Ben has been in this situation before.”

    He dealt with it very naively if he has. “turn around and go home” LOL, BEN saying something that weak? I guess he was trying to tread carefully…

    “This door has hieroglyphics on it. I don’t know what to think about this. ”

    http://the-odi.blogspot.com/2008/04/episode-4×09-bens-secret-door-with.html

  2. 2 missscarlett
    January 9, 2009 at 10:11 am

    THIS was the my favourite episode last year.
    So much happens.

    I swear Claire is dead – how could she not be? And check out Miles’ responses to her this episode & for the rest of the season. Interesting stuff.

    Ben has a secret passage that leads to the Smoke Monster? And summons it to seek his revenge? AWESOME

    Keamy is evil-hotness. I think it is his voice and the fact that unlike most of the characters, he says exactly what he means explains my utterly unhealthy fascination with him. {don’t worry – I don’t even begin to know someone that nuts in the real world}

    “Daniel officially says that the Freighter Folk were never going to take people off the island. That took so long.”
    Dude, we knew that, like forever ago.

    Sawyer is almost all growed up now. Sniff. I like new responsible Sawyer a lot. And he is much kinder too – calling Claire “sweetheart”.
    But all those people dropping like flies – hilarious. Sucks to be an 815er and have no name on this show!

    I think Miles wants to stay on the Island. Oh. And get his 3.2 million!

    Nadia.
    Ok.
    I agree Ben hasn’t killed the Innocent (that we know of!) before. But.
    Things have changed. After Alex was killed Ben became a man driven by revenge.
    Bloody revenge.
    I wouldn’t put anything past him these days – he’s going to kill Penny for goodness sake!

    But ask yourself – what in the world would Whidmore (or anyone else?) gain by killing Nadia?
    Whidmore actually LOSES now that Nadia is dead.

    Nadia’s death allowed Ben to recruit Sayid as his personal assassin.
    Ben had a traffic camera photo of the supposed shooter and oh look – there he is Sayid! Get him.
    That killer didn’t seem too worried either – could he have expected Ben?

    Most telling of all: Ben’s smirk as he walks away after Sayid jumps right in and aligns himself firmly with Ben.
    Come on. Ben just worked that guy like the pro he is.

    Doesn’t he commend Locke in this season for letting someone “think that was there own idea”? Ben has mastered that skill and that is clear by how easily he manipulated Sayid.

    “poor Alex died thinking that two people who loved her were dead, and the last person who loved her, the last person who she relied on, didn’t even care about her. Ben broke her heart right before she died.”
    That is true.
    When Ben said that I knew Alex was dead. And how horrible that those were his last words to her. Poor, poor Alex. And now poor angry Daddy-bear.

    Oh no – I think the nightmares and the Scotch matter. Maybe not as far as the mythology goes, but for sure for character motivation/insight.

    -”That island’s mine Benjamin, it always was, it will be again.” Always is a big word.
    True dat.
    Also – I loved it when he called Ben “boy”. What else did Ben steal from Whidmore??

    “I laughed so hard when Ben pulled that shotgun out of the piano bench.”
    That WAS a really great moment.

    “It’s shocking that Smokey doesn’t decimate Keamy’s whole team.”
    Except that the Smoke Monster has had people at its mercy before and not killed them – so maybe once it got closer it realized he was off-track mission-wise…and took off. It was interesting to me that Ben told the others that they were going to want to be far away — does the Smoke Monster have something in mind for some of them?
    It can’t be that it randomly, indiscrimately kills people since it obviously didn’t.
    But how did it just rip that fellow’s guts out and not kill him?
    Weird.

    “I am 100% sure that both of these characters are invulnerable in the same way that Michael was.”
    I agree.

    “So at the end of the episode Ben and Charles start a race. Ben is racing to kill Penny, and Charles is racing to find the island. I don’t understand why these two events are connected. Does Whidmore plan to send Penny to the island to keep her safe from Ben? That might work.”

    Or it might land Penny & Desmond on the Island to die together and become Adam and Eve.
    The heartbreak!!!!

    (and that is sincere – I love Desmond and Penny == and in the finale he throws around that big word: Always and another big word: Never, quite a bit which engendered that sudden fear that we know who Adam and Eve are)

  3. January 9, 2009 at 11:05 am

    Hi Izi,

    I wonder if the nightmares that Widmore is having are the same ones that Walt is having?

  4. 4 Anon
    January 9, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    “But.
    Things have changed. After Alex was killed Ben became a man driven by revenge.
    Bloody revenge.
    I wouldn’t put anything past him these days – he’s going to kill Penny for goodness sake!”

    Alex had only just died when Ben arrived in Tunisia, before that he’d been busy planning to move the island, talk to Jacob, avoid being killed by Keamy, among other things.

    PLUS, Ben didn’t even know Sayid was off the island until he saw the news report ABOUT Nadia’s death.

    The timeline just doesn’t match up and he had no times where he could’ve set up her death previously.

    “But ask yourself – what in the world would Whidmore (or anyone else?) gain by killing Nadia?
    Whidmore actually LOSES now that Nadia is dead.”

    Maybe she knew too much? Wrong place at the wrong time? Widmore was fine with killing a 16 year old purely innocent child as well as that child’s boyfriend. He was fine with his mercenary team torching the entire island and killing everyone on it. Widmore isn’t exactly innocent.

    “Most telling of all: Ben’s smirk as he walks away after Sayid jumps right in and aligns himself firmly with Ben.
    Come on. Ben just worked that guy like the pro he is.”

    He was probably just thinking “Damn, that was easy”. Sayid willingly volunteered, of course he’s gonna be happy about that.

    “It can’t be that it randomly, indiscrimately kills people since it obviously didn’t.
    But how did it just rip that fellow’s guts out and not kill him?
    Weird.”

    It was meant to freak them out and make them leave but that only worked temporarily.

  5. January 9, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    Good points. I find myself agreeing with Anon. If that was news about Nadia’s funeral that Ben saw then it was impossible for him to kill her.
    Either way Ben took complete advantage of the situation in front of him, as he always does.
    Buuut, we don’t know why Whidmore would kill her. As far as we know he has no motives. The only thing I can think of is that he wanted to kill Sayid (or the other O6) and he couldn’t so he killed the person he loved. I doubt that though.
    About Whidmore’s lack of innocence, I don’t know about that stuff. I think that was all Keamy going crazy, granted Whidmore shouldn’t have chosen Keamy and his group of lunatic but he isn’t necessarily responsible for their actions. If we believe that Ben is not guilty for the deatha of Ana Lucia and Libby then we could use that same argument regarding the deaths of Karl, Rousseau and Alex. But I don’t really care if he’s guilty or not, I’m just defending because I think it would be interesting if we found out he was the good guy.
    – izi

  6. 6 Anon
    January 9, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    “If that was news about Nadia’s funeral that Ben saw then it was impossible for him to kill her.”

    Yeah, it was, Sayid says “I just want to bury my wife in peace”.

    “If we believe that Ben is not guilty for the deatha of Ana Lucia and Libby then we could use that same argument regarding the deaths of Karl, Rousseau and Alex.”

    True, but then the “He changed the rules” statement doesn’t work. If family members were off the table in this “battle” that’s between them, for Widmore to break it, to me, makes him responsible just as much as Keamy.

    Even Ben asks “Did Widmore tell you to kill my daughter?” just to make sure Keamy didn’t just decide to do it against Widmore’s original order. Kinda like when Tom said “We shoulda just killed them instead of putting bullets in the sand like he said!”

    “But I don’t really care if he’s guilty or not, I’m just defending because I think it would be interesting if we found out he was the good guy.”

    It would be very interesting, considering the creators are trying to make Ben look like the more human, flawed individual now.

    I’ve always wondered how much contact he has with Penny, he seemed to know an awful lot about her relationship with Des…

  7. 7 Anon
    January 9, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    he = Widmore in that last sentence lol not Ben!

  8. 8 el bocha
    January 10, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    There is no way Ben is responsible for Nadia’s death because we see Ben learn that Sayid is out of the island after Nadia is death, mainly because of his expression when he sees Sayid on television in that hotel scene in Tunisia. So I think Ben just manipulate Sayid into killing for him using Nadia’s death as an incentive, but he had nothing to do with her actual death

  9. 9 missscarlett
    January 13, 2009 at 9:14 am

    “PLUS, Ben didn’t even know Sayid was off the island until he saw the news report ABOUT Nadia’s death.”

    Ah yes – I forgot about that! Thank you.

    I don’t know what to think about Widmore – I think Keamy was much more responsible for Alex’ death.

    She volunteered herself as Ben’s daughter – before that, they were not taking any hostages. They were following through on the ‘kill everyone’ operative.

    Did Widmore order that? So far we have been lead to believe that, though there have been no scenes of Widmore giving any commands/directions.
    It’s curious…

  10. 10 Rosie
    January 13, 2009 at 10:33 am

    I swear Claire is dead – how could she not be?

    According to the commentary in the S4 DVD, she is still alive. However, I do not know whether Cuse and Lindehof are telling the truth or not.

  11. 11 Rosie
    January 13, 2009 at 10:39 am

    “Sawyer’s protectiveness for everyone is commendable.”

    Yeah. It’s a shame that he’s incapable of taking responsibility or expressing remorse for an act of murder.

  12. 12 Audrey
    April 24, 2010 at 6:11 am

    I agree with what you said about Alex. Her and Karl were too innocent and too kind hearted for this show. I constantly wanted them to make like a cheesy Romance film and run away. She didn’t deserve anything she went through.


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