So that was fun(ish).
I’ll try to start on a positive note. Jacob was awesome! Who knew he would be so likable. I kinda expected him to be quite distant and cold. But he was great. And that storyline that they started with Jacob and his nemesis was pretty epic. It’ll make for some great conflict next year (provided history isn’t erased, hahaha). New “Locke” is going to make for a very interesting villain.
That was a pretty epic reveal. It was all for shock value, it didn’t serve any real purpose except to confirm our suspicions about this new “Locke”. But really, it surprised me, and really raised the bar.
Uh oh I’m running out of nice things to say. Damnit, why did Juliet have to die? I’m back to having no one left to like anymore. This is going to be season 1 all over again. The only people I like are guest stars.
The flashbacks in this episode were slightly interesting, but they didn’t really hold my attention. The two good ones were Hurley’s and Ilana’s. The other ones were just filler. (Especially Juliet’s, what the hell was that?)
The one thing about this episode that I liked was the discovery of this new part of the story with Jacob, his nemesis and that new world. That will give me a lot of fodder for theorizing over the break. I could live without the rest of the episode. So where does that leave us? How much should I give the finale that I was almost completely unimpressed with? It can’t be less that 5, that’s not giving Jacob enough credit. but it’s definitely not more that 8.0. I’d say 7.0/10.0 A disappointing end to an epic season. (Jump to the bottom for more discussion on the score, I know many of you will be surprised/pissed about the score.)
-I feel weird saying this right off the get-go but I think Jacob is a god. He’s obviously a spirit of some kind. He can still die, but he definitely has powers and authority. He brought Locke back to life in his flashback, and the mere fact that he was in all those places is proof enough.
-After Jacob showed up in the flashbacks I started thinking that anyone that he appeared to was approved by him and therefore safe. (See “Jacob’s List” below)
-The ash circle around the Cabin was disturbed. The old theory was that this was to keep Smokey out of Jacob in. Now those theories seem almost laughable. They could be correct, but it seems more likely that the ash serves an even larger purpose. It could keep all gods or spirits out, it seems unlikely that the ash kept Jacob in. Here’s a question for you, what was the ash for?
-Oh yeah, in case you hadn’t guessed I’m dismissing my old Jacob is Horace Goodspeed theory. The truth is always more interesting than our theories, isn’t it? I’m always skeptical when the writers say that we don’t have enough info to come up with totally correct theories. I scoff at that then come up with another insane impossible theory. But they’re completely right. That doesn’t mean I”m going to quit trying though.
-The foot is a pretty conspicuous place for Jacob to live. Surely that’s a top destination for Island inhabitants, who wouldn’t explore the remains of a monolithic statue.
-Jacob tells Hurley that he’s definitely not dead. That’s a nice clarification.
-Jacob tells people that they always have a choice. He offers a choice to both Hurley and Ben.
-I don’t understand the tapestry thing. What significance does it have?
That was a piece of it that Ilana found, right? Was that just to tell her where to go, or was it a kind of warning.
-Did anyone not like the actor who played Jacob? I didn’t expect him to be that good. The last thing I saw him in was Dexter where he was playing druggie fool.
-I figured Jacob was going to die, they can’t give you that much info on a new character and let him live. Lost doesn’t introduce full-time characters like that.
-You should probably have figured this out by now but I’ve named that other god guy from the opening scene Easu, as in “Jacob and Esau”. I figure it’s pretty fitting and not hard to remember. If anyone has any better suggestions I’ll pretend to be willing to change the name.
-“Do you have any idea how badly I want to kill you?” That’s pretty intense. I hope they allow us to see more into Jacob’s world, it seems fun.
-Bram’s conversation with Frank was very important.
Frank, “I wish you never showed me what was in this damn box. What are you going to do with it, anyways?”
Bram said, “We’re going to show it to somebody.”
Frank, “What for?”
Bram, “So they’ll know who their up against.”
Frank, “What the hell are they up against?”
Bram, “Something a hell of a lot scarier than what’s in this box Frank.”
I don’t think that Ilana and Bram expected to show the box to Jacob, I think they were expecting to show it to Richard and The Others. They were hoping to get to Richard before Locke did.
-I can’t imagine why you would agree with Esau but I have to ask. Does anyone like this guy? Are there still people out there, after this episode, that still think it was a good idea to kill Jacob?
-I purposefully put “Locke” underneath Esau. They’re one and the same. The quotation marks are just to differentiate from the old Locke that we knew and we were constantly frustrated by and the new “Locke”, which scares me. (At some point I’ll have to go back and alter some of my most recent posts, that’s what happens after realizations like this.)
-As soon as they showed that scene with Jacob and Esau I immediately assumed that Locke had been possessed by Esau. (After watching Carnivàle that didn’t seem like a crazy theory.)
-I was incredibly shocked when they rolled Locke out of the box. (BTW, if you like this whole story about Jacob and Esau and Locke and Richard, all that stuff, then I really recommend you watch Carnivàle.)
-They gave us some serious hints about “Locke” but they also tried to lead us astray a few times too. They made a direct mention to something that only Locke would know about, Locke and Ben meeting in the Swan. And “Locke” had no idea about the four toed foot and the fact that Jacob lived under it. That last one made me doubt the whole possession theory.
-Richard says to “Locke” that he’s guessing that Jacob is the reason why “Locke” isn’t in that coffin anymore. The second time around that line is much more significant. It’s true that Jacob is the reason, but he’s not the cause.
-Oooh, that’s why “Locke” didn’t care about Ben killing him.
-“Locke” wanted Ben to tell Richard about his plan to kill Jacob. Very interesting. “Locke” seems to think that he’s invincible, he’s trying to lure Richard out, I think he wants to fight him. This guy loves conflict.
-The look on “Locke’s” face when Ben tells him that he has to do whatever he says is priceless. What a bonus for him. “Locke” thought he’d have to convince Ben to make him kill Jacob.
-“Locke” says to Ben about Jacob,”Things will change once he’s gone.” Season 6 is going to be out of control.
-“Locke” totally knows that Ben would kill Jacob. He’s grinning so much when Ben is giving Jacob his little speech.
-Did Jacob make Locke Special when he brought him back to life after he fell out of the building? He’s certainly responsible for making him walk again after the crash.
-What exactly happened to Locke’s body. Did Ajira take it out of the coffin and put it into that crate? That’s pretty awful. Oh never mind, Ilana explained it, the Third Party found him in the coffin and they took him out.
-It’s pretty amazing that it took this long for Lost to do a switcheroo like this. There have never been two versions of the same person in this show. That’s not an uncommon thing in sci-fi shows, so it’s pretty crazy that Lost managed to avoid it.
-That was one of the craziest reveals in Lost’s history. It didn’t actually change anything because I presumed that Locke had been possessed by Esau, but to see the body just confirmed it beyond a doubt.
-Richard’s discomfort with Locke is now easily explained. Sure he was surprised he was alive, but he must have been able to sense the difference in Locke.
-Richard agrees with me, Locke “doesn’t seem particularly Special”.
-It’s nice to hear that Richard was close to Jacob. I always wondered why Jacob talked to Ben and not Richard when Richard was obviously more Special. Ben says that Jacob spoke exclusively to Richard.
-The answer to “What lies in the shadows of the Statue” is,”Ille qui nos omnes servabit”, which translated means,”He who will save us all”. I got that from Yahoo Answers, does anyone have any better translation?
-Richard didn’t die, whew. Another year survived as a guest star.
-Locke said to Richard that he wants to “deal with” the rest of the Ajira passengers. I presume that he knew what Ilana was up to and he wanted to stop her.
-I can’t imagine what Ilana’s gauzed up condition was, or what it was caused by. Maybe she was a burn victim. Maybe she had reconstructive surgery done, maybe it’s Ana Lucia in disguise. (heh heh heh)
-I’m confused again about the Third Party’s purpose. It wasn’t to blow up Jughead. They got to the Island with all their guns and stumbled upon the crate with Locke inside. That made them look for help, to tell people that “Locke” was a fraud. But Jacob asked for Ilana to help before that. What was that about? What were they doing there before that? Maybe they were just Jacob’s reinforcements. I don’ t know why The Others weren’t enough.
-I think my Third Party theory is thoroughly done for. My favorite piece of evidence, that Ilana could have only known about Ajira 316 from Eloise, was pretty much debunked after Jacob asked her to help him and he told Hurley what flight to get on.
-Ilana’s conversation with Richard kinda makes me wonder if she’s an Eternal too. Jacob blessed Richard with long life, maybe he did the same to Ilana. Or perhaps there’s something else Special about her. They were certainly familiar with each other, and Ilana muct have really like Jacob, or owed him one or something in order to be willing to agree to do anything for him in that condition.
-Once Bram mentioned candidates it became clear that they weren’t evil. I don’t know why that changed my mind, but it did. They wouldn’t be willing to recruit random people if it was some kind of crazy evil organization.
-Bram tells Frank that he’ll be safe if he sticks with their group. I guess the Third Party feels that The Others won’t harm them.
-Ilana says that “Someone else has been using it” referring the Cabin. That’s got to be a reference to Christian. The fact that neither Ilana or Bram know Christian makes me more convinced that he’s not aligned with Jacob. (see Christian & Claire below)
-Ilana burns the Cabin, was that to prevent Christian from using it? (I think maybe they didn’t want to use that set anymore.)
-Is it possible that Jacob was visiting Christian just as much as he was visiting Jack in that flashback?
-They got rid of Eloise pretty quickly. I was hoping that she wouldn’t stick around during the Incident but I didn’t think she’d be allowed to leave that easily.
-Eloise would be a mighty good person to have in a fight. She’s incredibly ballsy.
-Ms. Hawking was the Other’s leader. I can’t say that I expected her to be the only leader. She must have left soon after the Incident though, which let Widmore take over, he appeared to be the leader when Alex was born (around 1988).
-It’s funny how whenever the writers expose a new layer of the show they raise the bar higher. Two episodes ago I was talking about Eloise, Charles, Locke and Ben being the power players. Suddenly that’s changed. Now it’s Jacob, Esau/”Locke”, Richard and Ilana.
-Is it significant that Jacob didn’t visit Hurley until he was older? Did Hurley need to prove himself before he warranted a visit, or did Jacob visit him because he needed help. The guitar was an interesting touch. Obviously it was a Charlie reference, I think we all expected Charlie to be the one who would get Hurley to go back.
-Did Jacob set up Hurley’s release from jail? I can’t imagine how else he could have got out.
-Jacob tells Hurley that he is not crazy. That’s enough for me. Hurley’s not crazy! Case closed.
-Hurley sees Libby! Isn’t that nice. If only we could see her too.
-Ben made me so sad in this episode. Watching him lose all of his confidence and get manipulated by “Locke” was painful.
-I was shocked to hear all of Ben’s story about that show he put on in Jacob’s Cabin. I had dismissed that as ancient history, but the writers felt the need to show us that Ben was faking it… up until the point when he was thrown against the wall. Apparently Jacob didn’t like to be mocked.
I think I remember a commenter or another blogger talking about this over the hiatus. Some one said that they knew he was faking it. I certainly didn’t know that.
-Poor little Ben doesn’t figure out what “Locke” is. He almost does, he asks, “have you met before?” Then “Locke” ignites his anger again.
-What did Jacob have against Ben? Why wouldn’t he trust him? That was a strange mistake on his part.
-What’s up with Smokey and Alex? Alex told Ben to follow Locke and do whatever he says. Why would Alex want that? Something else is at work here.
-They were not fair to Juliet in this episode. Besides the whole killing her thing, it was cruel of them to suddenly change her into an incredibly wishy-washy character (whenever I use that expression I think of Charlie Brown). Her logic was correct each time she changed her mind, but she’s not the type to change her mind on a whim. And it was very out of character for her to force Sawyer to follow her. I think they tried to make her annoying so that we wouldn’t care much about her dying. Bastards. Guess what, we still remember useful Juliet who get’s things done, and doesn’t back down. When I remember the character I won’t be thinking about this episode.
-Juliet gazed back at the sub for so long, long enough for you to realize that she wanted to get off the Island still. That last scene with Rose and Bernard, “maybe another time”, made me literally cry out. The writers were just cruel.
-Was it the red shirt?
-Here’s an out-of-the-blue question, did Jacob really heal Juliet’s sister? That seemed likely back in the day, but now it seems odd.
-Juliet’s flashback just angered me. All these other flashbacks were so significant. They pretty much guaranteed that the character was important. And when it showed that it was a Juliet flashback I was thrilled. But then there was no Jacob.
-Juliet made me crazy when they came in in the van. She’s sitting in the back behind absolutely no cover.
-Frikkin chains! CHAINS!!
-Couldn’t she have had a happier ending? Was it necessary to show her broken and destroyed at the bottom of a pit, desperately trying to end her life which was so full of suffering?
-What would have been wrong about Juliet staying on the sub and leaving and Sawyer going back to stop Jack? Wouldn’t that have been a better way to get rid of the character? Nothing different was accomplished by killing her. And she could have returned at some point. I think the Lost writers have the same problem that ER writers had after a while, they don’t think a character exit is dramatic enough without a death.
-I wish Sawyer had died with Juliet. That would have been better. It’s not that I want him to die, I don’t, but I really don’t think I want to see him alone. And I wanted Juliet to die less. Sawyer isn’t as likable without Juliet beside him.
-Who was that guy in Sawyer’s flashback? Was he important? He told Sawyer that “what’s done is done”, but that can’t be it.
-Sawyer had another great Han Solo moment when he shot the speaker in the sub. Very clever.
-Who else was surprised when Sawyer said his parents died last year. I don’t know why that affected me.
-Josh Holloway did some good acting during and after his fight with Jack.
-I’m happy that so far I’m not completely right about The Island Killing it’s Offspring. But I’m still very wary about Miles’ future. If he’s a guest star next year he’s a goner.
-In the commercial break right before Miles talks about the bomb being the Incident, I was saying that same thing to my friends. Hilarious.
-Miles saving his dad was special, that relationship is comforting. I don’t know why but it’s nice to see someone healing their daddy issues.
-Sayid got on board with Jack’s plan very easily. There goes the theory about him just playing along.
-Jacob showing up in Sayid’s flashback wasn’t quite as reassuring as when he showed up in the other flashbacks. Here’s hoping that Jacob doesn’t like Sayid.
-When Sayid got shot in the gut my immediate reaction was, “shoot him again in the head.” Hahaha ha…ha.
-If Sayid is dying in this episode then it wasn’t dramatic enough. It makes me think that he’s not going to die.
-If you want to participate in the poll below but you believe that the timeline will be wiped out because of the hydrogen bomb then perhaps you shouldn’t vote.
-I laughed way too hard in that scene. I might have enjoyed that a little too much. Why are scenes where people get killed by cars so funny to me? (Remember Meet Joe Black? That was the best part of the movie.)
-The big questions is, did Jacob want that to happen? Did he go there to get Nadia killed. (see “Jacob’s List” below)
-The little kid casting in this episode was glorious. the Kate and Sawyer kids were perfect.
-Jacob acted like he really liked Kate, even if he knew his “be good Katie” was falling upon deaf ears.
-I was shocked when Kate changed her mind about Jack’s plan.
-Wouldn’t it have been awful if Jack had shot Hurley when he drove up to him in the VW van.
-Jack’s story about cutting the “Dural sac” and the “angel hair pasta” was quite altered when he told it to Kate. What else has Jack lied about? Hmmm.
-Jack was wearing his mask wrong in his surgery scene, it was very distracting.
-I never asked the question that Sawyer asked Jack, what does Jack want from changing the past? The answer didn’t make much sense. I think they did that just to make us think about the love triangle. New Jack shouldn’t care about things like that.
-So Jack wants Kate back? Does he know how easy she is? She was ready to profess her love for him when he left with the bomb.
-I was very happy to see Jack finally get beat up. It’s always Sawyer and Ben. I don’t think that Jack would have been able to put up that much of a fight.
-Were Jin’s vows that hard to memorize? Did he really need to write them down?
-Charlies’ ring, whadya know. How many other people called it as soon as Sun walked over to the crib? When I was rewatching the old episodes I was wondering whether they were just going to leave the ring there, it’s been there since the end of Season 3.
-“Oh hell no. They found us.”
-That whole, “we retired” scene was badly written. The point of the discussion was great and I’m glad it happened, but it was just strange. It was at a George Lucas level of bad dialogue.
-“Son of a bitch.” What foul mouths they’ve developed.
-Isn’t Pierre the best. He’s the only guy in the past who believed the time-travelers and he easily switched sides in that fire-fight. He even lost his arm because he decided to help.
-I told my friends early on that we have to watch for Pierre to lose his arm. Apparently my friends aren’t as clever as I give them credit for because they were absolutely amazed when it happened.
-Pierre totally got away from the Swan site before the bomb went off.
-The three year gap never seemed so big until Sawyer and Juliet ran into Vincent.
-Why did Frank say that thing about how torching the Cabin would burn the forest down. Is anyone actually concerned about that kind of thing? Nobody even reacted to his question.
-I’m still shocked that Frank is still around. How could they kill Daniel and Charlotte and choose to keep Frank?
Flashes (what we know now):
I may have jumped the gun here. For some reason I saw a long snout and assumed that the statue was Taweret. So you can read what I have below, it’s still very interesting, but I kinda overstated it.
So the statue is officially Taweret, right? This has a pretty interesting significance. Taweret is the god of women and childbirth. The destruction of her statue could have been a harbinger of the curse the Island put upon women who tried to have children on the Island. The destruction of the statue wasn’t directly connected to the problem with childbirth because the statue was gone when Amy gave birth to Ethan. But still. You know what I’m getting at here.
It would also explain why so many women die on this Island, or it could just be that the writers have a hard time writing for women.
(And good job to Lostie, who commented on my blog way back in Lafleur and told me that it was probably Taweret. My hat is off to you.)
The Hostiles left Jughead underneath The Barracks. That would have made that whole area full of radiation. Is it possible that that is why women can’t give birth?
Christian & Claire
This is very important stuff. If Esau took the form of Locke in order to kill Jacob, then what happened to Christian and Claire. It has always been clear that Christian was significantly altered when he came back on the Island. So who is he? I don’t think he was Esau too, We saw Christian a few days ago talking to Sun. There must be other gods on the Island. This could throw off my theory about Christian working against Jacob.
The same could be asked about Claire. Sure, she could be alive and she may have just been tricked by Christian to stay with him, but I think the consensus is that she’s pretty dead. I’m wondering if maybe she’s Taweret. This kind of thinking makes me want to assign Egyptian gods to everyone. (I really wish it was Greek gods, I actually know that mythology.) Again, all this Taweret stuff was a bad assumption on my part.
Not that list, this is the list of people that Jacob appeared to in this episode. I think this is very significant. If Jacob chose these people to come to the Island then they must be important. I think that means guaranteed safety for some time.
Here’s the list:
The Sayid visit was the most different. He didn’t go there to help him or reassure him in any way. It’s possible that he went there to save Sayid’s life, but doesn’t it seem more likely that he went there to kill Nadia? Maybe that’s just me being grim.
Will anyone even remember their visit from Jacob. He didn’t make big impressions with many of them. Perhaps Jin and Sun would. Obviously Ilana would remember, and Hurley would. But that’s it.
The Black Rock
So Jacob drew the Black Rock to the Island, knowing that their would be serious struggle and death. That’s all very interesting, but I still wonder how it got into the middle of the jungle.
Also I think it’s pretty much guaranteed that Richard was on the Black Rock. Jacob chose him and blessed him with long life a very long time ago, and just in the last episode we saw Richard working on a little model of a ship like the Black Rock.
Also, the statue was destroyed after the Black Rock got there.
We see in this episode that Esau used Locke’s body for his own purpose. Esau is some kind of spirit. Does that mean that the body we first see him in was nothing but another dead guy? So is Jacob in a different person’s body too? He still died though. I don’t think Esau would go through that much trouble to kill Jacob if Jacob could just jump into another body. This body snatching thing confuses me. It seems as though Esau doesn’t have a lot of power in Locke’s body. He couldn’t kill Jacob. Perhaps that was for a different reason, but I tend to think that “Locke” is powerless.
I know, I know. “How could you give it such a low score?” I’ve explained this before and I’ll do it again, my Review section isn’t nearly as important as my Analysis section. But I’m sure that doesn’t satisfy any of you.
Compare this finale with some of the other ones. This one was as bad as the Season 1 finale, if Jacob wasn’t in this episode it would have been worse. (BTW, since season 5 my expectations have gone higher. It was the time travel. It made me want more. That seems to happen every year.) Anywho. This episode gives me almost nothing to theorize about. Remember the Seasom 4 finale? I blogged about that for a solid month. There’s no way I’m getting a month out of this episode.
I have to be careful this time. Last finale I was firmly against time travel. I said that I didn’t want it to happen and then I created loads of theories based on the assumption that it wouldn’t happen. I don’t want to make that same mistake this time.
I don’t think that Jack changed the past. It seems to me that they simply fulfilled history. That was confirmed when Pierre lost his arm. So that limits my options for theories. I don’t think that they all died in the explosion, but I’m sure that it looked like it. I’m hoping that this explosion they caused activated the energy down there and therefore altered time. I hope that means that anyone close to the blast would be thrown back into the future. I hope that’s what Jacob meant by, “They’re coming”. Perhaps that group that Jacob visited was destined to stop “Locke”.
But I’ve learned my lesson. I’m not going to put all my eggs in one basket. If Jack did succeed then I believe that we will get to watch the events of the last 3 or 4 seasons over again and in fast-forward. If Jack was successful and did change the past then there will need to be some major course correction. I think that course correction would start with Oceanic 815 crashing again. I would hope that all of our survivors would get put back into the original crash. They would jump back to Sept 22, 2004 they would crash again, except this time they would have all of their memories. That would make for an epic final season. (But I honestly don’t think this will or should happen.
(Note: Funny thing, I didn’t know the finale was tonight. I thought they were doing their usual part 1 this week then parts 2 and 3 next week. You may notice that some of my recent posts have been strangely worded regarding that.)