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season 4 finale: Jack and co. getting back to the island (part 3)

Where & How

On to the where. Getting to and from the island is obviously hard work. The island could be anywhere or any..when(?) in the world. So first you have to locate it, which is notoriously hard, it took Charles who knows how long to find it. And the only reason Penny found it was because of the Swan implosion/explosion, and by tracking Desmond’s phone call.

There are some that we know did get on and off the island. We know Ben has been off the island, hence all the passports and the notoriety at the Tunisian hotel. We know Mr. Friendly (Tom) has been on and off the island. And Richard, Ethan went to pick up Juliet. Also Charlotte has apparently been looking for where she was born so she can be added to the list. Daniel too seems to have some insight as to whats happening with the island.

So here goes. I am having a very hard time coming up with a theory about this, and I’m sure I’ll have another go at this before season 5 starts. I propose that Ben needs the help of one of two other people to find the island. He might even need the help of both of them (and it just happens that these are two of my favorite characters).

He’ll need someone from the island, to invite him back. Since he turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel he won’t be able to find the island again, he’s essentially banished. I believe the person to invite him back is Richard. Richard, as you may recall, has been on and off the island in the past, he visited Locke as a child (I am assuming he lived on the island at that time). Richard also went to pick up Juliet. When he went to get Juliet, they said they went in the submarine, the same submarine that Locke supposedly blew-up (I don’t believe that he did, but I also don’t think that’s how they get on and off the island). We don’t know exactly how the trip went because Juliet was asleep during the journey, Ethan just said in a suspicious way that the last leg is always a little bumpy, maybe he’s talking about the fact that people usually go crazy when the come to the island, I’m supposing otherwise. The fact that we don’t know exactly how they get back leads me to believe something special happened. And I don’t think special things could happen on the submarine. So what I think is that they didn’t get to the island on the submarine, they only used that as a prop so as to not scare Juliet, and they used other, more exciting means to get there, why else would you sedate the person you were transferring. So let’s say there are paranormal means to get on and off the island, why not use such means with the man who has likely used them the most, Richard.

But what if the answer is more science than fiction. In that circumstance Jack and Ben will need someone smart. Someone who understands the phenomenon of the island. Maybe someone who seems to know a lot about Dharma and their experiments. A person who’s good at lateral thinking. Who could that be? You’re right! Good ol’ Daniel. I think that Daniel coming back in season 5 will be just what Jack and Co. needs to get back. If there is something that Ben can’t figure out, Daniel would be the ideal candidate to make sense of it. And if the island did move in both time and space it will be very hard to find, and likely it would take some serious calculations, calculations that someone like Daniel could do in a heartbeat. (Note: if Daniel did come back to find the island this would be a perfect chance for him and the writers to explain the Icosahedron Theory.)

The problem with these ideas is that the main characters in them are no where to be found. Richard was definitely on the island when it left, and I doubt he’s going to come running to Ben when he has Locke on the island. And poor Daniel is who knows where. Since it seems to me that the island has jumped in both time and space and Daniel was halfway out to sea when it happened, poor Daniel could be anywhere. I’ve talked about all of this in this post. It’ll be quite an undertaking to find the island but I’ll bet Daniel and/or Richard will be involved in the return.

Come back on Friday when I kick off my season 1 reviews.  After that I’ll have three reviews a week on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.

– Izi


season 4 finale: Lockes on-island problems (part 3)

What happens on the Island?


This is the most puzzling part of the finale. What happened on the Island that prompted Locke to leave and come begging Jack to come back.


I figure there are three possible threats to the island and those on it.


1 – Smokey

I am constantly worried about Smokey wreaking havoc on the people on the island. He seems completely untamable. Me and my friend DT’s theory is that Smokey is a security system to protect and at the same time imprison Jacob. I think that Jacob is fighting against those bonds. Maybe my moving the island Jacob gains an advantage against Smokey. So by doing what Jacob wants Locke might have incurred the wrath of Smokey. Perhaps that picture that Locke drew as a child was foretelling what would happen in season 5. There is one time in the past that Smokey went around the island causing damage. That was when the plane first crashed on the island, I assume it didn’t like all of the pieces of plane hitting the island. Who knows what might happen to the island now that it is hurtling through space and possibly time.


2 – Missing the target

The island could travel somewhere bad. Perhaps it travels to the Sahara Dessert or maybe back to the North Pole. Or maybe anywhere bad, it’s actually hard to imagine a nice place where the island could land. If the island did go to a very bad place it would be Locke’s responsibility to get them back to safety, that would mean turning the Frozen Donkey Wheel again. If he was to turn it again he too would probably be sent to the middle of the desert and eventually he would find civilization, find out that the Oceanic 6 survived and he would beg them to go back, hoping that with their help, and money, they could find his island again. I don’t understand this theory much and it seems pretty crazy. But it fits so you never know. Also from a budget point of view this is insane. Drastically changing the weather would be impossible, especially in Hawaii, where it’s filmed.


3 – Locke vs. the volcano

This theory makes the most sense to me. We all know that the Hawaiian islands are volcanic. The Island is not supposed to be Hawaii but it too is clearly a volcanic island. The volcano is only mentioned once in the show, when Ben is at the Dharma school. So perhaps as the island moves (in time or space, in this theory it hardly matters) something shifts deep within the island and the volcano becomes active. Filming an active volcano on Hawaii wouldn’t be that hard to do. And it would cause a lot of panic. This could definitely be the problems that Locke mentions to Jack in the finale. Why he would need Jack to come back is confusing, but perhaps he just misses their conversations.


That’s what I have so far about Locke and the people still on the island. On Monday I’ll have a new post about those people who got off, and who I think will come back and how. I’m sure this won’t be the last time I talk about this.


How about you. What do you think will happen? Which one of my three possibilities do you think it more likely? Or do you have an idea of your own?

Next week I’m going to talk about the Oceanic 6 and the others who got off the island.


– Izi


season 4 finale: new narnian theory

I want to use this post to take the mood down a notch, I’m just about done (over)analyzing the season 4 finale, but the lat few posts are pretty intense (and extra long) so I’m going to talk about something significantly less important today.

Before I tell everyone my new Narnia Theory I want to tell you about my old one, because it was so much better.  I still wish it was true, not just to be right (for once) but because it was such a great idea.  I should also say that while my old theory was a full blown theory, this new one is more of a reference and it’s not likely to be proven correct.

Once Charlotte got to the island I immediately started thinking about Narnian theories and references.  The Chronicles of Narnia is one of my favorite series of book, and although it gets dull near the end, I still love the stories.  (I don’t spend too much time analyzing the Christian references because that bores me, and it definitely isn’t the reason why I like the series.  The ‘His Dark Materials’ trilogy is also one of my favorites, so that says a lot about my taste in Christian fiction.)

The episode right after we are introduced to Charlotte Staples Lewis, we get to see some of the science that Daniel is working on.  In that episode Daniel does his little rocket timer test.  This test tells him that there is a time difference between the Island and the Freighter.  This test told me what I wanted to hear: That time flows differently on the island than it does in the real world.  This was similar to Narnia, where a year in our world could be thousands of years in theirs.  I assumed that it was the opposite on the Island, with the islands time flowing slower than the real world.

There wasn’t a lot of proof but it was still pretty possible.  As any of my friends know, I really got into this theory.

I took Richard as the ultimate proof, the fact that he doesn’t seem to age while Ben does made me think that since Ben spends so much time off the island it was possible for him to seem older, that may actually make him older.

And I have been waiting for a long time for Walt to come back, I thought this was a perfect way to bring him back.  Since the actor had aged in real time, they could just bring him back this season or next and explain it with the time difference.

Also I figured out in season 3 finale that it occurred around 2007 because of the new Motorola Razr that Jack had.  I assumed that the Oceanic 6 were saved sometime around then and people just assumed they were gone for years.

The only outright clue against my theory was in the episode 316 – “One of Us”.  In that episode Ben shows Juliet her sister, completely cured of cancer and playing with her son in a playground.  Ben even made Richard show the current newspaper.  That threw a wrench in my theory, but I chose to ignore it.

So I was completely sure during the first few episodes.  Buuut.. it quickly fell apart.  As more was revealed about the Oceanic 6 it was clear that they were rescued quite a while before Jacks initial flashback.  And after I saw a very old Aaron with Kate, the theory was pretty much shot.  Then when Desmond phoned Penny on Christmas Eve the theory was completely out the window (I was of course overjoyed by that glorious episode, so that offset the sadness of losing my theory).

So that was then, but this is now.  And now I have a new idea, completely unrelated to my former theory.  But it really isn’t a theory it’s just a little bit of background and possible history or mythological reference to the island.

So I was reading Prince Caspian before the movie came out (that’s a habit of mine that I suggest you adopt, I always read books the week before they are adapted into movies, that way I can always appreciate the story for what it could be).  In the book (not the movie) they tell the story of the Telmarines, they are the foreign people who have invaded and taken over Narnia.  These Telmarines are from Earth, not Narnia, and they accidentally stumbled into Narnia.  It’s how they stumbled into Narnia that is interesting.  They were a group of pirates who landed on an island. On the island these pirate go exploring, inside the mountain they find a passage to another land, and they go through and come to the Narnia world.

I am submitting that this island is the same as our Lost island, and if not then at least it is a cultural reference that the writers may have been thinking of.  It may be that the negatively charged exotic matter or maybe the electro-magnetic anomaly on the island may be this same thing in the island in Prince Caspian, hmm very interesing.

– Izi


season 4 finale: the island moving (part 4)

Why did the Island Have to Move

This is a question I don’t think a lot of people are asking.  Why did Jacob want to move the island?  By the time that Ben went down into the cave, Keamy was dead, and the freighter had already exploded.  There was no danger to the island.  Charles Whidmore’s plan had failed.  Or had it?  I submit that it did not.

Let’s go through his original plan.  Get on the island capture Ben and kill anyone or everyone who gets in your way.  Also you can use the poison in The Tempest station (I think they may have even been allowed to gas the island right away, since Charles knows that Ben won’t die there is no harm in doing that.  In effect take control of the island.  They get there nothing goes right.  They are forced to go to plan B.  Plan B involves…. uh torching the island, maybe.  So they start to do plan B means going to The Orchid and uh.. hanging out.  Then Ben shows up , they take him back to the helicopter, having done nothing at the orchid, and are going to take off.  Richard comes, saves the day.  Ben goes back to The Orchid gets ready to move the island, kills Keamy, in effect blows up the freighter.  And then.. he goes back to work moving the island (??).  Why does he still want to move the island.  I doubt Jacob didn’t see this coming, I think it was pretty obvious that the Others and Ben could handle Keamy and his men.  So what’s the deal?

It could be a few things.  Maybe the island/Jacob feels threatened by being found by the freighter.  Maybe it feels it’s exposed and it needs to go hiding again.  Or maybe it knows that Penny is coming, maybe it doesn’t want anyone finding the island (here’s a thought, maybe Jacob can only recognize last names, which is why the lists always only have last names on them, so he knows a Whidmore is coming to the island and he is afraid.  You know as dumb as this theory is, it makes perfect sense).  Or maybe Jacob just wants to get rid of Ben, that’s what Ben thinks, so he is just expelling him from the island in the most damning way possible.  These are all pretty weak reasons, if you can think of any, please, comment below.

What I think is that this was Charles’ plan all along.  If plan A failed, he was going to force the island to move.  By going to The Orchid he made sure that something would happen there.  I doubt there was ever a plan to torch the island (not likely, that’s a little crude for Lost).  Or maybe there was and maybe by torching it, it would be easier to find, on satellites or something.  Maybe the whole plan was just to get back at Ben, maybe he knew that Ben would be the one who would have to turn the wheel.  If Charles is anything like Ben then this is the kind of plan he would come up with.

So that’s all I got.  At some point I want to do that post  Lost: Legacies in which I show which characters are paralleling each other, for example how Locke is becoming Ben and Ben is becoming Charles, I have a big list, but that is for later.

– Izi


season 4 finale: the island moving (part 3)

Dharma Island Movement

Another important clue about moving the island is the polar bear with the Dharma collar that Charlotte found in the desert, that same desert in which Ben also appeared in.  Some people have been saying that Dharma was using the polar bears to move the donkey wheel.  This seems logical (logical in a Lost way, so still pretty illogical), if you have a very cold cave and you want to do some manual labor down there, why not chain a species who is used to cold to the object you want moved.  Two birds, one stone.  I doubt this is why there are polar bears on the island, the possibility that Dharma imported polar bears to turn a wheel is highly unlikely.  Actually a lot of this is unlikely but the evidence is pretty convincing.

Another confusing pert of the puzzle is the fact that the passage down into the donkey wheel cave was tiled over, by Dharma people.  So it’s been a while since anyone went down there, even the Dharma folks.  If Dharma was using polar bears to move the wheel it was a very long time ago, and it implies that they gave up on those experiments, but not until after they moved the island, with that polar bear in the desert.  How would they know it was dangerous to move turn the wheel, they would have had to use a human to do it once.  So let’s say Dharma moved the island twice.  I’ll bet the human who moved the island first was Charles Whidmore.  He’s the person who was trying to find it but unable to do so for apparently a long time, implying that, like Ben said, the person who moves the island can’t come back (or as I interpret that, can’t find the island because it is hiding from him or her).  So where was the island before it was moved?  We have very little info to track it with, I still want to believe it was in Oregon at some point, (maybe that was when Whidmore moved it).

What I don’t understand is how Ben knew how to move the island, he must have been around when someone else did it.  So was he there when Dharma did it.  I tried to figure out who else would be there: Definitely not Juliet, definitely Richard, unless he had a good reason to be off the island, maybe Patchy/Mikhail, maybe Rousseau but only if she had just got onto the island, and definitely Jacob (obviously), maybe Charlotte (I don’t really know what I mean here but I felt I had to say it).

I think I’m a little over my head at this point.  I don’t know what else to say in this post.  At some point in the future I intend to post something about the Orchid orientation video.

Next time I’ll ask the question: Why did the Island have to move?

– Izi


season 4 finale: the island moving (part 2)

Icosahedron theory

A while ago J. Woods wrote an article about a 3 dimensional shape called a icosahedron which apparently intersects the globe at special points, some of these points include the North Pole, Fiji, The Bermuda Triangle, Madagascar and North Africa ( I was hoping that Portland would be on the list too but it isn’t.  You can read his post for his interesting/crazy theories.  But he wrote those a long time before moving the island was even a glint in Locke’s eye.  An interesting thing about the icosahedron is that it was mentioned in the official podcast. A fan asked a question about it, they deflected the question, but the mere fact that it was mentioned gives the theory more credence.

So what can we do with the icosahedron? (apart from understanding it because that is way too much to ask for).  I think that I can base a theory around it.  I’ve talked about this theory before.  I believe that the island can move around the world, but it is limited to these points on the icosahedron.  Right now it is somewhere near Fiji (although it drives me crazy that we still don’t know where it was, apparently that little island where Penny dropped off the Oceanic 6 was 2000 miles from where they picked them up).  I believe that at one point the island was at the North Pole.  This explains why there are polar bears on the island.  Likely the four toed statue is from a different part of the world, I don’t think that any culture in that part of the world built statues like that it looks more Mediterranean (correct me if I’m wrong).  My old version of this theory played off Richard Alpert’s line: “We’re not in Portland any more” implying that at one time the island was somewhere in Oregon.  Maybe it’s possible, but it is highly improbable, and there are no spots on North America where the icosahedron hits.  Another hint was in The Constant.  When Desmond sees Mr. Whidmore at an auction bidding on the journal of Magnus Hanso, the captain of the Black Rock.  This journal was found in Madagascar, far from where the Black Rock ended up (maybe).  So I think it is completely possible that the island travels around these spots on the earth.

I want to point out that I have a problem with theories like these.  The crazy, scientific theories are fun to come up with and read, but I don’t think it is possible for them to be right.  There is almost no way that they can explain how the icosahedron theory works on the show.  It is possible that it is correct but there is no way that it will ever be confirmed because the show can’t spend half an episode or even a small part of an episode talking about metaphysics or theoretical anomalies or whatever we are talking about.

In my next post I’ll talk about the other clues and what I think was happening when Dharma controlled the Island

– Izi


season 4 finale: the island moving (part 1)

Remember the feeling you had at the end of episode 411 Cabin fever (Locke’s episode)?  Locke said the line: “He wants us to move the island”.  Yeah you remember.  Pretty angry, perhaps excited, maybe a little annoyed, and mostly confused.  The correct word is consternation.  At the time this looked to be one of those things that would make us angry and confused for a long time.

But whadya know, it only took two episodes and it actually happened.  What happened exactly? We don’t know.  Let’s speculate.

I’ve heard a few ideas about what people think happened.  I’ve had to split up this post because it got pretty gargantuan.  I split it up into three parts so I’ll post one a day.

Time traveling island theory

Some people feel that the island jumped forward in time, instead of space.  This is supported by the fact that the experiments in The Orchid were experiments in time not space.  I believe this is a completely possible theory, and if you want to follow this line of logic, go for it in the comments or link me to your blog.  I agree that it is possible, this whole season has been dabbling in time travel.  Desmond literally went back in time.  We kept getting flashforwards.  Flashbacks were mixed with flashforwards, adding to the confusion.  Daniel came along, he found that time does strange things coming to and from the island (this prompted me to come up with my first Narnia theory, this was augmented by the arrival of Charlotte Staples Lewis or C.S. Lewis.  The first Narnian theory was that on the island time travels slower than in the real world, so a day on the island might be four days in the real world, much like Narnia in comparison with our world, this theory had a lot of supporting evidence but was proved wrong).  So with all this odd time travel stuff there is a high chance that the island traveled in time not space, or maybe in time and space.  I could see a kind of setup to the island moving forward in time.  We know that Ben was thrown 8 or 9 months into the future by turning that Donkey wheel.  It was established that Daniel needed Desmond as a constant, implying that he will, or maybe has, had some sort of time traveling damage done to his brain.  Since Daniel is a ways away from the island when it leaves, he might be a little messed up next time we see him, he might need to find Desmond again.

So it is very possible that the island could move forward in time and not to a different location.  Next time I’ll go into the part that I like more, The island traveling in space

– Izi

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